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Women Warriors in Heavy Armor: Plain vs Evil? by Gambargin Women Warriors in Heavy Armor: Plain vs Evil? by Gambargin
Just as the tile describes, this drawing was made from a lot of correspondences that i have received since end of January, regarding the portrayal of Women Warriors both in Fantasy and History. In this drawing, I want to compare the Heavy Plate Armor that was used in the historical setting (left), and a rather Dreaded armor (right) that shares the characteristics of those worn by dread/evil characters.

Now, before I start with the discussion, i would like to point that the aim of this drawing is to increase the awareness of why each of the Armors are represented as such according to my opinion (I'm no expert!). As for the actual representation in my drawing, they are all full of artistic license and stylized art, so the historical accuracy may not be the most well represented =P (Razz)

As you may notice, It's rather hard to differentiate weather these are women or men in armor. I made it less obvious, because, in theory, Heavy Plate Armor are designed in such away that it avoids body curve, like "boob-plates", which is another discussion in itself. Besides, unless the setting of the story demands that there are specific armors for each specific gender/race, there's practically no difference in what men or women wear for protection, it's just simply a matter of their availability and whether or not one can afford to buy it (at least in a historical sense). Also, wearing helmet is VERY IMPORTANT, as it protects the most vulnerable part of the body, the head. Anyone running around in the middle of a battle without a helmet, no matter how graceful they may look, is clearly asking for suicide, . 

Let us start with the character on the left, the evil lady wearing the dreaded armor. How can one portray an evil character through the armor they wear? Well, it's pretty simple. All you need to do is add more spikes, make some really decorative evil design, and if possible, includes protruding skulls/demons/animal decoration on the armor, whether it's on the pauldron, breast-plate or gauntlet. Also, make sure the helmet has horns, or limited eye-slit to give that eerie feeling. Don't forget to include big sword/blade with menacing teeth.

Sounds good? Yeap, she doesn't wear boob-plates, she is fully protected, heavily armored from head-to-toe, and it would seemed that no weapon could harm her. If this was a fantasy setting fill of magic and powerful characters cutting mountains like slicing butter on breakfast, then such an armor could be considered to offer "the most protection" with additional perks, depending on the use.

What about in real life? It would probably one of the least practical in real life. If you notice, the armor is full of protruding decorations and also spikes, along with this rib-like feature on the breastplate. First of all, spikes are pretty dangerous to the user and his/her allies as much as to the enemies. Close quarter combat, especially in the the middle of battle involving numerous men slaughtering each other, you are more likely to bump on your allies than your enemies, which would harm them, if not kill them outright. On the other hand, the decorations serves little to no practical purpose, other than to impose the dreaded figure, which may give a terror effect to the opponent. But we all know, a highly decorated armor would cost an enormous fortune, wearing them into battle would be a waste given that maintaining them and repairing them are both equally expensive and hard.

If you think that's bad, think again. The presence of those spikes and decorations can prevent any incoming attack from deflecting. The best thing about plate armor is that, it can deflect any incoming thrust or slash, which minimizes the damage produced the force (which can be further minimize with proper padding). The spikes and the decoration can easily capture the incoming strike (preventing the the blade/arrow from sliding), which, of course, will do little to the plate armor, but can cause blunt damage to the user. Try filling a tin can with water and hit the side with something to make the water ripples. the harder you hit, the stronger the ripple. Now, imagine that water to be the insides of your body and that tin can is your plate armor.....That should give a good reason why you want to deflect any incoming attack.

So, what about the first armor that looks plain in comparison the dread armor? well, it's a design inspired by the Gothic Plate Armor that was produced somewhere in the 15th century. It offered the best protection in its time and was in fact, considered to be one of the state-of-the-art protection. (except against gunpowder weapon and arrow/crossbow shot at close range). It's highly articulated to offer maximum flexibility and the design is made in such away that the weight is equally distributed. But, then again, it's pretty plain compared to the dreaded armor next to it. There's other plate armors that could match the decoration (without the spike) like the Maximilian armour during the renaissance (third quarter armor?), or the 16th-17th century cuirassier armor....:?

Regardless of what our opinion on the two armors may be, when it comes to art, it is entirely up to the artist imagination, and because art is always subjective, it is always better to enjoy them rather than argue over it :)


It's pretty hard to define Good, Plain or Evil Armor. It's just a matter of how you obtained them in my opinion. If you play any game that involves your character fighting in armor, You can always ask yourself this question, "How many lives have you killed to get the armor that your character wears?" =P

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You can check more on my other study involving Women Warriors as depicted in various media:

Horny Viking vs Historical Viking Women Warriors: Horny Viking vs Historical Viking by Gambargin
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J4B Featured By Owner Oct 10, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
That is a pretty good description of the two.

I like your analysis on it.

But, do evil characters fight in armies, or do they fight alone?
If they are highway robbers, may dressing up like a scary demon is more effcient in scaring people away from their money.
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joolita Featured By Owner Sep 20, 2014
You make a good point about practicality of an armour, where more decoration, especially protruding decorations, make it less practical.

I have another problem with that kind of armour. It reinforces the typical simplistic dichotomy used in many fantasy stories. That there is an evil side and a good side, which in real life is often not all that clear. And giving an "evil" character too much "evil-looking" gadgetry is often a cop-out. Let them have scary armour, weaponry, castle, minions etc, this way they do not need much in terms of personality.
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My-Sword-is-Bigger Featured By Owner Jun 15, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
And seriously, I have never read a more detailed dissection of fantasy armour. X'D You're completely right, though. I never thought that much into it but I've just sorta known that it wasn't the best choice.
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My-Sword-is-Bigger Featured By Owner Jun 15, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
OH. MY. GOSH. OH. MY.
THAT. DETAIL.
OH WOW.
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suyuku-san Featured By Owner May 7, 2014  Professional Writer
I like this, kind of looks like a "good and evil" kind of thing, but then when there's war and such who knows who is really good or who is really evil :) also the details in the armor in two different styles is really cool as well :)
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Gambargin Featured By Owner May 8, 2014
Hmmn, i'n actually curious of the Angelic armor with wings, maybe it'll take it to another level :D
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Searleit Featured By Owner May 7, 2014
The plain version is more appealing to me, but still I can't imagine any woman wearing
an armor that would not provide a space for her beasts :P It would be just to painful.
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Gambargin Featured By Owner May 8, 2014
Well, it's pretty true i guess. Some can practice breast binding (or breast burning) just like what the Scythians women did to be able to fit in their armor and shoot bows. but in general, armor has many layers of padding, just like wearing several layers of winter clothing and then a metal plate on top :?
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Searleit Featured By Owner May 9, 2014
Yes, that would be it with the many layers of material, but 
in the specific case of the armor (the plain one) you draw
well let's just say that I might not be endowed much in 
these parts, but just the look of it makes my tits hurt, 
mind the bluntness :P (I don't even want to imagine
breast burning <.<'). 
And that shape (I mean flat chest and huge abdominal part)
always amazes me - it could give one a notion that in those
times past all men able to afford an armor were obese :P

(oh and please don't base your entire concept and project 
upon what I say only, because I don't want to hinder your 
creative process in any way, that is not my goal - I would like
to help you rather than discourage you - so please don't feel
disencouraged by what I say:) ).
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Gambargin Featured By Owner May 14, 2014
You are very kind :) Indeed, the armor shaped may not look the best fitting, but i belief it had more to do with construction strength and deflecting properties. I remember reading an article, people actually has positive opinions on Fat people (especially ladies), because it was seen as a sign of wealth and prosperity. There was a saying "A thin man is either poor, or sick".

Don't feel bad about saying out your opinion, I'm very happy to receive feedbacks from others, as you'd have seen already , most of my artworks have been shaped by others feedback =P
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Searleit Featured By Owner May 16, 2014
Do not be fooled by appearances - I'm honest not kind :P (which still means I admire all of your works, 
because you've got the unique way of drawing, and your own one-of-a-kind style of drawing which is very much to my liking).
And - which I find even more remarkable - you reach out towards the parts of the history which are attached to places so very 
far away from where you came, which is quite admirable (for it is so hard to find people really knowing their own country's  history today...)
I believe your are 100% right about those properties etc.
Hah, you'd be surprised how many people in this part of the world still think that being fat means wealth and good fortune (of course
most folks here also acknowledge the healthy way of life so popular all around the world at the same time). Even my own
grandmother is always distraught whenever she sees my, because a thin woman is considered to be neglected by her husband (the neglect
being the fault of a husband who doesen't feed her properly<.<').

A feedback is always a good thing (I know I lack it so very very much when it comes to my works, for most o the time :P), but I try not to be
to severe, as it proved discouraging for some int the past :)
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OberstJurten Featured By Owner May 6, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Plain!
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Gambargin Featured By Owner May 8, 2014
The same! Plain FTW
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StankoTheGreat Featured By Owner May 6, 2014  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
I tend to prefer the clean lines of non-fantasy armor a ton more. I think there is a video floating around there on youtube by Lingybeige where he talks about spikes jutting out of armor, though I'd have to find it.
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Gambargin Featured By Owner May 8, 2014
Hmmn, haven't heard of this Lingybeige. I suppose expert in medeival arms?

I feel that it's more common sense really, People who has worn the actual armor in real life, like you, could easily spot the impracticality/practicality of any armor design :)
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StankoTheGreat Featured By Owner May 8, 2014  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
Lindybeige is a guy who likes talking about misconceptions not just in medieval weapons, but in history in general (though usually focused on weaponry). You should check him out onoutube!

I see the sort of common fantasy spiked armor as something that would be rather impractical for combat and non-combat - in my experience, armor gets caught on things every now and then, and having spikes jutting out of it would hamper you even further if you were caught in somewhere like a forest full of branches and twigs.
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StankoTheGreat Featured By Owner May 8, 2014  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
*on youtube
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jeandulin Featured By Owner May 5, 2014
The evil armor is awesome!!!
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Gambargin Featured By Owner May 8, 2014
I think they would fit the image of your matriarch and queens from project amaris :)
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jeandulin Featured By Owner May 8, 2014
;) the armors i designed for them are smaller!
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ironsides11 Featured By Owner May 4, 2014
The Evil Knight has a Warhammer Fantasy Dark Elf look about her. www.games-workshop.com/en-US/D…
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Gambargin Featured By Owner May 8, 2014
Damn, that's some really sharp armor...i mean, literally =P
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The-Master-Mason Featured By Owner May 4, 2014  Hobbyist
Also think about it in terms of cost. That "dreaded armor" would cost a lot to produce with all the detail, gilding and etching. Armor gets damaged so you'd want to get armor that would serve you well in battle but not break the bank when you survive and have to repair or replace parts of it.

And there's what Lloyd of Lindybeige said of spiked armor: No one wants to share a tent with you.
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Gambargin Featured By Owner May 8, 2014
Hahaha, indeed, highly decorated armor was just simply too expensive to be used for combat purpose. Unless the fantasy universe in question produces these kind of armors like slabs of bacon, i highly doubt many could afford to buy, wear and maintain it.
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KaiKainat Featured By Owner May 3, 2014
Reminds me of Sauron's armour...
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Gambargin Featured By Owner May 8, 2014
Search Dark eldars from the Warhammer Fantasy 40.000 universe for some really sharp armor designs =P
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LCNeko-tan Featured By Owner May 3, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Oh, wow~
I always love finding your amazing work in our gallery submissions.
Amazing work, mate.
I love the detail you put into the Cuirass. :)
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Gambargin Featured By Owner May 8, 2014
Really appreciate it Liz, you have my thansk as well for allowing me to contribute to your amazing group :)
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LCNeko-tan Featured By Owner May 8, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
You are very welcome, my friend!
And it's no problem at all!
Your work is always welcome! ;)
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lavenderl Featured By Owner May 3, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Very interesting, I'm really learning a lot from your art. ^^
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Gambargin Featured By Owner May 8, 2014
Thank you:)
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lavenderl Featured By Owner May 8, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Thank you. It's a pleasure to view and learn from your art. ^^
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CapturedJoe Featured By Owner May 3, 2014
Helmets? Nah, helmets are for extras who can be killed off during the battlescenes; real heroes fight without helmets, the people need to see their faces!

Now seriously: Maximilian armor is better than anything fantasy has to offer.
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Gambargin Featured By Owner May 8, 2014
Lol, good point! :D, Maximilian Armor is the holy grail, but why someone would want to add boob-plates on it is something that's i'm still curious to understand. :?
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CapturedJoe Featured By Owner May 9, 2014
Well, there's always the middle road:
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CapturedJoe Featured By Owner May 9, 2014
Link because thumbfail: fav.me/d6cmk88
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SultanOfAwesomeness Featured By Owner May 3, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
A very interesting description; you have an uncanny way of being able to connect almost everything you draw to it's practicality in the real world. :3
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Gambargin Featured By Owner May 8, 2014
Thank you for the kind compliments, but really, anyone should be able to reflect this easily. They are all common sense :)
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charcoalfeather Featured By Owner May 3, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Very interesting read. I totally agree about the boob plates thing; they've always irked me.
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Gambargin Featured By Owner May 8, 2014
Hmmn, i've never tried drawing boob-plates before, maybe Asa the horny viking could use some image upgrade.
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charcoalfeather Featured By Owner May 8, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
037 - Eyes 
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LadyKylin Featured By Owner May 3, 2014
I love your breack down of the scary armour. I actully have kind of played with this in the novel I'm working on. One of the big bads likes wearing armour like that when he's either doing 'peace' negotions, or parades after he's squashed some poor city into submission.

During an actual battle he wears almost the same thing the rest of the troops wear, it's just a little fancier, cuase you can't have your head general wearing the same thign as the common folk. He's also used decoys as part of a battle by haveing other people in the useless spiky stuff.
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Gambargin Featured By Owner May 8, 2014
Owh, that would certainly be very interesting! I'm curious as to how the design of this spiky armor would look like =P
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LadyKylin Featured By Owner May 8, 2014
You and me both, I kind of copped out and said it looked impractical yet impressive. :) One of these I gotta draw it, I have a hard time with armor though.
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DrUnimaginative Featured By Owner May 3, 2014
 This is interesting, I agree with what you are saying.  It would suck to be killed by your allies spiky armor . . . and kinda embarrassing. XD
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Gambargin Featured By Owner May 8, 2014
Yeah, colaterall damage is'nt really fun at all
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