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Women Warriors: Horny Viking vs Historical Viking by Gambargin Women Warriors: Horny Viking vs Historical Viking by Gambargin
Just as the title describes, this drawing was made from a lot of correspondences that i have received since end of January, regarding the portrayal of Women Warriors both in Fantasy and History. The drawing compares the 'Horny Viking' (The name taken from her Horned Helmet =P), with the 'Historical Viking', each representing their own views and values in the portrayal of Viking Women Warrior in popular media. The reason why the Viking was chosen is because they are probably the next most popular warrior, besides knight in shining armor (think of Joanne d'arc)

Now, before I start with the discussion, i would like to point that the aim of this drawing is to increase the awareness of why each of the characters are represented as such. As for the actual representation in my drawing, they are all full of artistic license and stylized art, so the historical accuracy may not be the most well represented =P

From what I have seen, Women warriors can be divided into two categories. The first one comes under what i call "fantasy", where the design of the character is only limited by the artist's imagination. From bare chain-mail bikinis to the Warhammer-esque huge armor, complete with exotic weapons that comes with them, Fantasy Women Warriors are the most commonly depicted in the popular media. The second category, comes under the title "Historical", whereby the artist try to depict the character in the historically appropriate (if not politically correct) attires belonging to the corresponding era. Practicality, protection and fashion were taken into consideration, as such, they are represented much less than the fantasy due to the time-consuming research done before-hand. We must also understand that, our understanding of "Historical Women Warriors" may well be different than what it was during their respective era. Also, warfare had been predominantly male occupation since the dawn of time, even if some culture publicly accept their womenfolk fighting in their ranks. So in many cases, women who decided to join the fight as warrior would have to adapt with equipments, armor, weapons and fighting style which were designed for their most frequent users, men.

Simply put, women who fought in battle, chose to do so themselves, knowing well the consequences and burden they had to undergo. In my opinion, regardless whether they fight in proper full plate armor or half naked with loincloth, it is always better and respectful to represent them as Women who fought as Warriors, instead of Women who just dress as warriors (or lack of) =P

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For the first character, the Horny Viking (taken from the horned helmet), she is dressed in anything that you can criticize at this very instant, derived from the famous fantastic depiction of Valkyrie. The horned helmets which was never worn by the vikings, the double headed axe which is more commonly used for chopping trees, small decorated metal shield, a spear with a long blade (reminds me of japanese yari), a chainmail bra and others that i have yet to describe.

In terms of practicality, it would be very limited at best. Horned helmet can be cumbersome, the horns is more threat to the user and his/her allies, as well as allowing the enemies to grab the horn, throwing the use off balance. As for the battle-bra, everyone would probably know why it's a no no. But having one's hair flowing freely while wearing chain mail is a recipe for trouble. Chainmails are made of tiny rings joined together to for a chain, as such, free flowing long hair can easily get caught, leading to some discomfort to the user. Also, Scandinavia (where the viking came from) is a very cold region, so wearing such clothing would be....cold defying :o, not to mention leaving the most vulnerable parts of the body (which you really want to cover), open for attack.

Why is she represented that way? well, fist of all, she looks more attractive than our historical viking. Apart from that, this image has been popularized by the Viking revival in the modern era, where the viking had been anachronistically mixed the bronze age culture, as well as the idealized portrayal of Scandinavian epic saga.

What about the historical viking? I think they prefer to wear less exposing battle attires than our Horny Viking. Adorned in chainmail, furcoat, large shield, a battle axe, seax as well as throwing spears, she is more than ready to remove some heads for their bodies. But my representation of her would probably anachronistic, if not historically accurate. Her Chain-mail was very expensive back then, and only the richest could afford such protection. As for the helmet, the decorated helmet was reserved for the chieftain, denoting her highborn and rich status. The battle axe is a heavy double handed danish axe, so one cannot use shield while wielding on in real life. While there are historical records of Viking Women fighting as shield maiden, there are only handful of archaeological records of what they actually wore and used when fighting in battle. But my best guess is, whatever was commonly wore back then as protection, she'd probably wear the same as well.

If you ask my opinion as to which one that i like, I prefer the historical one. Not because of its practicality or fashion sense, but because when one draws something related to history, he/she would be able to learn something from it. The more you are aware of history, the more creative you will become :)



So, which one would you prefer? :D


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Historical Viking Character is from the Historically Wrong Sketch Series:

Gunnhildr Freysdottir af Rogalan of Vikingrunionen by Gambargin

The Horny Viking is taken from Album Cover 1 - Concept art by Gambargin
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:iconawsassin:
What about modern goth vs Visigoth/Ostrogoth?
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:iconmelodixa:
Melodixa Apr 6, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Hurrah, let's play a game of spot the difference! How many differences can you find between the Horny one and the Historical one? Let's see, there's one, and there's one, and there's one, and another one, and another, and another, and another, and another...
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:iconladykylin:
I think I love you.

Also as to which I'd prefer. I'd prefer to fight the honry, but I'd reater be the Historical one :)



And the honry one could be ya know, for intimate momments, kind of like lingere for vikings :)
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:iconlemniskate:
Yeah, I'll go with the realistic one.
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:icongurdim:
i like this and i totally agree with the comment... just... damn in my arrogance i thought i was the first thinking this sort of comparison xD (even if i did it with -celts-we-usually-imagine vs celts-as-they-usually-were [that is naked spiky guys against a tank like Hallstatt warrior XD] ) and i'd be super happy just getting the half good as you are at drawing ^^ 

i prefer the historical one ofc! :D (i once drawn something similar, but the armor was less realistic and more "custom", and with some proto-viking stuffs, and, damn i made a mistake, i gave the girl a earring, and just now i heard viking ladies hadn't them :( ... i'll settle saying that it's a non-historical-vikingoid-stuff, take that! XD)

Another thing and i'll stop pestering the page :P i saw that there is a discussion about double headed axes. If Lazyold5ool refers to woodchopping axes, as you did in the image comment, ... well i'm not super sure XD. But as weapon, i must disagree. Actually DH axes were never used in middle ages (again, as weapon eh!), but they were sometimes used in ancient bronze celtic cultures and by some italic pre-roman people, and they were ofc made of bronze. I dunno why the choice of the double head... spare blade when the first gets ruined in battle? possibility of makin tricks? XD Or maybe more mass for more damage? Dunno. Surely in greek, nuragic and cretese civilisations, it was only a religious simbol, usually dedicated to Gianus (who had 2 face) or feminined deities. In the minoan culture was the Labrys, and was a sort of big insignia 

... ehm sorry aanoother thing... i often see those chest straps on some chain mails, do you know what they were for? to thigten the coat to the body? or to hang the shield to the back? or what?
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:icongambargin:
HAhahah, your first line really made me laugh and thank you so much for the compliments :D

You are correct on one thing, when it comes to viking, there are those that prefers the historical ones, and there are those that prefers the ahistorical ones, it all depends on people's imagination and knowledge on the history of Viking. Like for example, The Viking lady depicted would have been extremely rich to be able to afford chain mail like that, so it's much more appropriate to depict the viking with padded cloth as her armor, and with less ornated helm =P

As for the double-headed axe, i read that it was more of a symbol of authority than actual weapon. Like what you said, there were records of them in various ancient bronze age cultures, in many cases, depicting a status of power. As a weapon, it's little probable, but maybe less practical than the bearded axe, in my opinion, mostly due to the construction of it and also, most single-headed axes (like bearded) were used for something else practical, apart from chopping enemies head, double headed axe offers little practicality when, say, shaping woods or chopping trees.

The chest straps, i've seen alot of their depiction as well, but have the same question with you. I think it's mostly for tightening coat to the body, like what i drew with the cumans Khanum Sevindik of Desht-i Yurtubi (Cuman-Kypchak) by Gambargin.
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Nils-Iver Mar 15, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
Thank you!
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:iconlazyold5ool:
Double headed axes only came into use in the middle ages, as the forge wouldn't have been able to keep the metal equally hot enough. A single headed Dane axe would certainly have been used.
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:iconcolonelbsacquet:
The Horny Viking X-D doesn't seem to wear a very practical upper-body armor ... :-)
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:icongambargin:
Indeed, but i guess some people prefer it like that :)
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