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Gunhildr Freysdottir vs Batuyisu Mangedei by Gambargin Gunhildr Freysdottir vs Batuyisu Mangedei by Gambargin


This Drawing is Outdated - Please see the Updated version in the Gallery Folder of Women Warriors of Historically Wrong Sketch Series: Medieval Revisited

See:Gunnhildr Freysdottir of Vikingrunionen (Norse) by Gambargin and Batuyisu Gonji Mangedei of Nodai-in Ulus (Mongol) by Gambargin





Thanks to :iconbrossuno: and :iconjoolita: for the suggestion and inspiration.

Before i start, this is just a dramatic depiction of a battle between the Women Warriors in the historically wrong sketch, as such, anatomy, perspective, scene may not bet the best as I'm still learning to improve them. Any feedback is certainly much appreciated.

This sketch is dedicated to the two characters who (were) voted the most in the pool that i have just created, to see which of the women warriors from different culture people prefer the most. you can contribute to the voting here as well. gambargin.deviantart.com/journ…

Historically speaking, it's actually quite absurd having Mongolians fighting battle against the Vikings, as both neither existed in their respective era. The closest depiction tat can be considered similar would be the Byzantine Varangians Elite Troops (recruited mostly from the vikings freemen) fighting against the Pechenegs, during their assault at Eski Zagra in 1122AD.

Still, in art anything is possible, hence the reason why this drawing is made in the first place. Princess (Gonji) Batuyisu Gonji Batuyisu Mangedei of the Nodai Kahanate by Gambargin is depicted as a horse archer that follows the style of typical Mongolian horse arcer, and is equipped with nomadic composite bow and stylized lamellar armor. Her stylized headgear is made with fur and decorated embroideries for aesthetic purpose. Her bow is actually quite strong and deadly. To give an idea, pulling the string is the same as lifting an 18kg object.

As for the Viking/Norse Gunhildr Freysdottir of the Nordic Kingdoms by Gambargin, Gunhilder Freysdottir is drawn with norse mail hauberk, stylized norse helmet, a large decorated shield as well as a viking throwing spear. In historical perspective, the throwing spear would be a much potent weapon to use against the closing horse archer which can be thrown to kill the horse, de-horse the rider and finish him in 1 on 1 off combat.

Who would win will be subjected to many debates and there's a few good reason to this. The Vikings did not employ cavalry in their fighting ranks, and technically speaking, being only composed of Infantry (and some archers), the Mongols could pick them off easily with their horse archers and cavalry charge. On the other hand, these battle-hardened Norsemen (and women) could employ their shield wall tactic, allowing their throwing spears and archers to pick off any incoming horse archer in a mass volley. The shield/spearwall could in theory, fend off any incoming cavalry charge and in close combat, their heavy equipment and weapons would turn any unfortunate mongols into soup.

Still, whatever the tactics and reasons maybe, it is always better for art to be enjoyed rather than debated. And to be fairly honest, i've enjoyed drawing this, and will likely to draw more from the pool results.

I would like to thank all of you who voted and inspired me with this drawing :)

Music to go with the drawing: Globus - Preriator

www.youtube.com/watch?v=b11-37…
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susandevy Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
currently I read book about mongol queens, and they were really awesome !
they played important roles in politics and economic as well
the mongol empire could not be that glorious without those queens,

and so this artwork add more references for my knowledge about mongol queens and warriors.
thank you for this lovely artwork :)
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artlovr59 Featured By Owner Sep 3, 2013   Photographer
Hi,

I've been looking at this picture for some time, and can't comment on the helmet or the armour, but would suggest a different quiver (see: www.atarn.org/chinese/quivers/… and other ATARN pages on Mongolian archery. Two points on the bow.
1. The Mongol bow was a very big bow, and perhaps here this cannot be seen.
2. If I'm not mistaken, I see a bracer, which the Mongols didn't use. Main reason is the use of the thumb draw and the placement of the arrow on the outside of the bow (relative to the bow arm) means it isn't necessary to use.
Hope this helps a bit,
Cheers,
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:icongambargin:
Gambargin Featured By Owner Sep 5, 2013
Woah, thank you for that :). I must admit the Mongolian has more stylistic elements than historical accuracy, but i will be sure to remodeled it accordingly in future drawings :D
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:iconartlovr59:
artlovr59 Featured By Owner Sep 5, 2013   Photographer
Glad it helped! :)
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:iconbebesdupoire:
bebesdupoire Featured By Owner Sep 2, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
haha, this is really an awesome depiction. warriors in action. i'm glad you made it.
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:icongambargin:
Gambargin Featured By Owner Sep 2, 2013
Thank you :D!

I also admire your recent drawing for ara :)
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:iconjoolita:
joolita Featured By Owner Sep 2, 2013
It would be actually sad if they killed each other off :( I like both characters.
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:icongambargin:
Gambargin Featured By Owner Sep 2, 2013
Ah well, i haven't thought about killing the characters in any of my drawing, even i like them as well :P.

Maybe my next duel will involve the japanese against the other warrior women, and yeah...the more unrelated they are, the better :D
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:iconjoolita:
joolita Featured By Owner Sep 6, 2013
That is the problem with duels, alas. It is easy for one of the sides to end up dead. I also hope this will not happen, these are great characters :D
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:icontheasorlinsstrike:
TheAsorlinsStrike Featured By Owner Sep 1, 2013  Student Traditional Artist
To be honest they are pretty dead even groups of warriors. I really see this as a matter of terrain.

And I say even is because they excel where the others fail.
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:icongambargin:
Gambargin Featured By Owner Sep 2, 2013
That is absolutely true. I have to agree with your point :)
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:icontheasorlinsstrike:
TheAsorlinsStrike Featured By Owner Sep 2, 2013  Student Traditional Artist
Thank you. This would be an amazing battle.
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s-lilje Featured By Owner Sep 1, 2013
Gunnhildur Freysdóttir! Yeye icelandic name! <3 Very very nice indeed! My spelling of the name, is what we in Iceland spell it like, but the rest of the world spells it like you spell it, both is right kinda ^^

Love the drawing :)
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:icongambargin:
Gambargin Featured By Owner Sep 2, 2013
Hahaha! Thank you for pointing that out :)

The naming for the Norse character was something that i'm still not familiar with, as there's a lot of variation even with the Danes, Anglo Saxons and even Icelandic, like the suffix for daughter - Freys-dottir, Freys-dottor, and in Icelandic case, Freys-dóttir :D
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RyanRyzzo Featured By Owner Sep 1, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Splendid! I really like the Mongolian lady's equipment.
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:icongambargin:
Gambargin Featured By Owner Sep 2, 2013
Thank you!

They may not be the most accurate as i put some stylistic elements to it, but I'm glad you like it :)
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Schweinebeine Featured By Owner Sep 1, 2013
actually, the mongol's horses would turn somewhat useless against a shieldwall, of course they could run around shooting arrows, but no horse would ever charge against a shieldwall, the rider would end up dead for sure, plus the horse would likely cower in the middle of the charge and the rider would end up on the ground, only the warhorses were big enough to separate the shieldwall, thus warhorses were really expensive and rare, not to mention hard to maintain ^^
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:icongambargin:
Gambargin Featured By Owner Sep 2, 2013
You are absolutely correct!

I remember trying that in Medieval Total War 2 game... i guess we both know how a cavalry charged could end up against a mass infantry spearwall :D
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Schweinebeine Featured By Owner Sep 3, 2013
well ive never played medieval total war ^^ but if you want to learn about shieldwalls you can read the warlord chronicles from cornwell, its a realistic version of king arthur, set in the conflict between the saxons and the britons
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BrossUno Featured By Owner Sep 1, 2013
Oh wow! That's a cool little action scene there! Honestly, I'd be happy with more unlikely match-ups if only for the interesting commentary explaining how absurd the fight would be and other historical details. The top of that horse isn't bad either.

Also, I don't care for the debates of who wins unlikely match-ups either. I just like the scenario, or art, as presented. Who would actually win is really unimportant. I hope you find the means to do more in the future, or anything really.
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:icongambargin:
Gambargin Featured By Owner Sep 2, 2013
Thank you for the kind words!

Honestly, this is kinda fun because i'd have to plan my drawing instead of just sketching some character. Mongol vs Viking is indeed absurd, but it's nice to see them depicted in art.

Maybe, the next one that i can think of would be the Japanese vs one of the warriors there. The more unrelated they are, the more fun it'll be :D

Any suggestion perhaps :)?
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:iconbrossuno:
BrossUno Featured By Owner Sep 2, 2013
As far as suggestions go? I don't know, I think I like your plan of working off your Warrior Women poll. It's moved around a bit, but I think it would be the Minamori Sisters and Khanum of the Steppe Federation next. I'd be really curious how'd that work out, if it would be the 3 Sisters against the one opponent or something different. But that's just me. I think I'd be happy to see just about any match up there, as long as you have a good idea for it.
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:icongambargin:
Gambargin Featured By Owner Sep 2, 2013
That's an interesting point of view. The Khanum would certainly be nice, but the Japanese had faced similar steppe people (the Mongol) in the past...

Maybe i should dwell on the topic "Knight vs. Samurai", so i'll see what i can do from it :D
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MistaSilentKiller Featured By Owner Sep 1, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Sweet!

Vikings vs Mongols, I always wanted to see that :D
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:icongambargin:
Gambargin Featured By Owner Sep 2, 2013
Yeap! Me too, i imagine their battle would be epic! ...or a one sided slaughter :P
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:iconmistasilentkiller:
MistaSilentKiller Featured By Owner Sep 3, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I prefer battles, something like this youtu.be/I-gRafdqa6Y :D
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